S1E3: Batch Cleaning, Goal Setting, The AI Debate: Pam VS Deb

In the third episode of "She Said She Said," Pam and Deb navigate the chaos of managing a household full of pets, sharing the laughs and challenges that come with it. 

They explore their approach to setting life goals, using the S.M.A.R.T. system as they discuss their biggest goal—having a child. The conversation then shifts to a lively debate on AI, where Pam and Deb offer different perspectives on its future. It's a mix of humor, real-life experiences, and thoughtful discussion that keeps the conversation engaging.

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All right, so dog poop, because you. Don'T come up here to clean the dog. Supporting. This is where Pam got relatively stubborn supporting our local businesses, which is what we do here. We have a dog walker and the dog walker, as was cleaning the poop out of the yard. Yes. Now, what would happen with my wife is that when the dog walker was coming on Monday

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00 to clean the poop, she usually came during the day. Deb would go out at 830 and clean up the poop. So we were paying every. Hey, welcome to the she said, she said podcast. I am Pam Pryor, author, speaker, CFO, and I balance the books. And I'm Deb Reinhardt. I am a Chopra certified life coach, meditation teacher, and most of the times I balance Pam. So after 33 years, each week we're diving headfirst into life, business, and the beautiful chaos of it all. With the occasional disagreement, let's put it. That way, lighthearted arguments. So let's see what pot we can stir today. Deb, I have one in mind. Oh, boy. So we have been the last week and now for two more weeks, our daughter and husband and all of our normal pet sitting staff is out on the west coast. We live on the east coast. They're out on the west coast visiting some friends. Yes. Enjoying much cooler weather. Enjoying much cooler weather. And of course, we have complications around animals because we have three dogs and our daughter has a dog and a cat. Yes. So we've decided. And we have three dogs and a cat. We have three dogs and a cat. My daughter has a dog and a cat. That's a problem. So share a little bit about what we're doing, like, physically to make this all work. Yeah. So we brought Orfeo. That's the black dog that you see here. This is our daughter's dog. He's perfect, right, Lindsey? Anyway, he hangs out here with the pack, so he came up here. Do we have four dogs in our house? So now there are four dogs at the house. And I go down and I've been living in the city, I've been the country girl's living in the city, so I've been living in the city and hanging out with their cat and just. Kind of now, to be fair, the cats got ib's. Ib's, so needed some help, needed somebody there. We wanted somebody there physically. So I get that. That was good for him. But I've realized two things. What have you realized? Because I have also realized some things. So you tell me yours. Yeah, I get to go first. Okay, so the first thing is in this. I don't know if this relates to last week or not, if we talked about it or not, but we were talking about how you, like, if I finished that coffee, you'd come sweep that mug off the table and pop it in the dishwasher. I realized the only difference that makes it look like I don't do anything, I realized this morning is that I batch do things. So this morning I thought, okay, there's a number of things that have to be done here. Like, eight of them. Cat litter, dog food, both the dip. Of course, we have multiple different dog foods. Every animal's gotta eat different foods for whatever freaking reason. But we needed to fill dog food bags, needed to get some trash out. There were, like, eight things I needed to do, and I just batched them. But I batched them when everything gets to, like, empty for, like, the sink is half full. So it's really not that I'm avoiding doing the things, but what happens is you do them before I ever get a chance to, because I batch clean and batch process. That's all it is. That's not what it is. I've come up here, like, now two times, three times since the. Well, there's been nothing to batch in that amount of time. I walk into my bedroom, and it looks like a college dormitory. Like, you don't even bother to make the bed. You leave the dog's beds all over the place. Let's have a conversation about that, though. So, look, we get up in the morning. Yes. And you make it the bed. Why? Right? This is that admiral's speech. The admiral's like, well, dude, first thing you do is you make your bed. I love the admiral, don't get me wrong. But, like, why do I need to make my bed? All I'm gonna do is get back into it, and I'm not gonna be in the room all day, so who cares if it looks nice? I care. Why? If you're not gonna, like, follow my logic. No, it's the same reason I can't. I come in, I have to, like. Yes. Were there dishes? There were a couple dishes in the sink. Like, put those into the dishwasher. The countertops needed to be wiped down. Who cleans the dog poop? Let's even. Let's get into the dog poop. All right, so dog poop actually. Cause you don't come up here to clean the dog. Supporting. This is where Pam got relatively stubborn. Supporting our local businesses, which is what we do here. We have a dog walker. And the dog walker, as was cleaning the poop out of the yard. Yes. Now, what would happen with my wife is that when the dog walker was coming on

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00 to clean. The poop, she usually came later in the day. Deb would go out at 830 and clean up the poop. So we were paying every week to have the poop cleaned. And Deb would always beat the poop cleaner to it. So what I said was, we ain't paying for that shit anymore. And now the internal poop cleaner is complaining about poop. Because here's the scoop. And this is. I bet you a lot of people have this issue. Poop has to be cleaned. Right? It's got to be cleaned every day, Pam. It's what rock four dogs. Fine. But listen. Poop has to be cleaned. You can decide in your whole plethora of things, we are blessed and lucky. We can decide what things we want to do and what things we want to pay to have done, like doing the lawn. We pay to have the lawn cut. We pay to have the mulch put down. We can pay to have the poop done. So this is very simply a matter of. But you chose to do it yourself. I don't pay for it the only. Times that I would do it myself. Let's be very, let's. Let's be really honest every day. I know it wasn't every day because. Tally's eating her food. You went out every day. Tally Washington. When tally goes, all dogs eat their poop. No, they do not. But when she goes on a flea. Asher of Asher house, all dogs eat their poop. No, they don't. But when she goes on a little, like, binge that she wants to, then you have to be mindful and I don't. I didn't do it all the time. Sometimes on Fridays I would do it early because the poop, she didn't come to clean before the lawn guy came. Well, now, here's the theory about the lawn guy. No, it does not get chopped up with the trash, with the Delamar. No. They use mulching blades. It mulches it up and it turns it into fertilizer. It does not. Pam, back in my day when I had dogs, my grass was a lot greener. It does not. It was because. Global warning. But we're not even going to go there. It has nothing to. It does not chop up the poop is the poop. We need a pole in the results. Fine. Do we let the lawnmower crunch up the poop. No. Or do we clean the poop? Just one pole. We won't pull them on the. We won't pull you all on the. You have to clean it. Even if you. Even if you. Even if I were to conceive the lawnmower, which I cannot, because it does not chop it up. Absolutely does. No, he know. He runs it over and then it flattens and squishes it into the. Into the grass. And then when you pull it up, then you pull up grass. But if. If I were even to. Even to give you the lawnmower, that's one day a week. What about the other days? Pamdan, that it fertilizes. No, it does not clean their poop every day. In fact, that's the thing. Do people clean their yard poop every day, Francis, that's what we want. Or every other day? Every day. I would even do it every other day. I don't do it every day because I'm not here now. I do it every other day when I come up. Well, that's only three weeks. When you hear. I don't do it every time. I'm just saying. I don't. Anyway, so that was one thing. I batch things. And I would clean the poop. This. I'm actually exaggerating. I would clean the poop probably once a week. I won't ever do it every day. It's just not going to happen. Four dogs. You have to do it more so that. But I think the batch versus the individual. Oh, Tracy's here for the other walkies. Did Diego go up or Faye, I'll go for your walk. Go for your walk, buddy. Go on. I think what it was. May have to walk up with them. Go on. Go for your walk. Go for your walk, buddy. Your turn. Come on. Oh, let's go. Let's go up. Take a walk. Come on. Come on. Let's go. Let's get a walk. Come on. Come on. Come on. Out you go. And see you go with TD. It's your turn now while I have your attention. Good boy. And just say, buddy, it's every day a little further and it's insane to beard. You got him. Oh, she's coming back. It's a good boy. I'm just saying. Girl tells. But it is true. You know, you pick the things you're gonna do yourself versus the things you're gonna pay for. I didn't say anything while you were gone. You did. I'm sure you did. Never would. Never, ever, ever would. What is this. Trash what did you find? Peace of. So anyway, that was the one thing I just got. The second thing was the bed thing. Because truly, you know, maybe we could save that for another day. But that's a really long discussion I feel very strongly about. So maybe we'll save that one for another day. We can do a poll on another day about that. The other thing I think we do need to comment on is that the house does need to be vacuumed more. Frequently because of all the dogs. Because of all the dogs. Well, because of one dog who sheds light. But she sheds two. She sheds two. She sheds. She shed. Cute. That needs to happen much more frequently. Much more frequently. I don't know about every day. That's a little over the. You're supposed to. You are supposed to vacuum one day of the week for every living thing in your house. Okay, now, I happen to that one. Is this Marie what's her name? I don't remember where I heard it. Probably Marie what's her name. Actually, I'm gonna credit my friend June White, but I don't know where June got it. But it was 1 June got it in June 10. She's the same way you are. No. If not worse. One day for every living thing in your house. I don't remember. So let's think about. I made that up in my dreams last night. We have you and me and Gilbert and then our three dogs, which means that you would get one day of rest, which would be lovely. But now you have Orfeo. So now that's seven living things, which means it should be done every single day. I promise you that of everybody who might be listening to this, there may be one other person in the world who agrees. You have to vacuum your house every. Day when you have dogs, and your dogs create tumbleweeds. You vacuum your house. Tumbleweeds. It is not. Let me just clarify. It is not like we have tumbleweeds flowing through the living room. Dust bunnies? We don't have ruggies. Dust bunnies. We don't have rugs. I know, but they. The thing that cracks down is, to. Me, they look like a little tiny speck of. No, they're tumbleweed. And to you, they look like Tumbleweed. It's true. You probably have nightmares of them barreling through the living room. I do have a little bit of nightmares of what the house is like when I'm not here. So, anyway, this is just one of those typical things that, you know you're wrong about. But it's okay, because over the years, I've been wrong about a thing, I think once. And it's your turn. Uh huh. So, hey. But I have been enjoying my time down in the. Has it been nice? Yeah. Yeah. Because it's peace and quiet, I guess. I've been. I've been singing every day, twice, 2 hours a day, which is great. And Finley's a great cat. Finley's an awesome cat. So is Gilbert, by the way. I don't talk about Gilbert all that much because I'm dog obsessed. But he's a good cat. No, he's. He's good. You know, it's good. Yeah. I crocheted a whole market bag yesterday. You've never done that before. That's like a pattern like that. It was a brand new pattern, and I love it. Crocheting is one of those. So Lindsay has decided that I need to make twelve market bags. Why twelve? I don't know. She needs twelve. What could she. I said, lindsay, this took, like, 5 hours. She can't fit twelve bags worth of. Stuff in her kitchen? No, I think she just wants to. Have different ones to match her outfits. I don't know. What's that one for each month? There you go. Your fall bags and your spring bags. Oh, wait. You made me. That was actually gonna come, but I. Am gonna make some more. You're gonna compliment me on my. I love watching crochet. Crochet is one of those things, and I've never learned how to do it, and I don't want to now kind of on purpose, because I watch you doing it, and it's like watching magic happen. It's really cool because I cannot for the life of me figure out, no matter, and you've tried to explain it to me. I'm like, I don't bother. Yeah, but, like, I watched, like, what you do, and it doesn't make sense. Like, there's no logic to it, and I know there is. So it's so relaxing. You will crochet for hours. I will. I did. Yesterday. I finished that. I finished that market bag. I was like, you crocheted a blanket. So big that one time that they didn't even want to use it. Oh, I did. And I did. I made them. I'm having fun. I'm just gonna keep going. I'm having a blanket, and they're like, it's too big for our living room, so we're putting it on our bed. So then I go up to the bed. It's not on the bed. Well, I think that's because in fairness. Well, it's hot because it's summer. Yeah, that makes sense. But it was a beautiful. It's a beautiful afghan that's on the floor in their closet. But I like the big ones because I like to double them up. And when I come downstairs, no matter what season it is in this house, it's cold downstairs. I have another one. I have another one that's. I have one started for you. Oh, fun. And I have one. Another one started for them that's going to be a little smaller so they can have it. And then one of our bonus kids is getting one out in Chicago. Yes. And I have one that I've just done the first part of my. Of a piece for our boat. One of our bonus. Very cool. And so that. Yeah. There's another example of, like, I would never crochet. What? What? The thing that brings me peace, like, crochet brings you peace is day trading. That's weird. It's just weird. Awesome. That was a good one. What's one thing that you miss about being here? Like, is there something. Yeah. What's one thing for you that you missed out? Having death here. Okay. It was easy to come up with. Okay, so it was you first. Like, okay. Yes. I miss you. I am enjoying some solitude, which is really nice. But I do miss you. I miss having a. Around me, I have learned that, like, I inhabit, like, lots of rooms, lots of different rooms in a day. You know, like, I go to the music room to sing, and I cook in the kitchen, and I hang out in the family room, or we'll come down here. Our kids live in a row home in Philly. And it's adorable. It's really sweet. It's got. They've got, like, one bedroom upstairs and a little office and a bathroom on the second floor. And then the first floor is just like, one shot. It's like living room, dining room, kitchen. So when you get up in the morning, I make them. I make the bed. I go. I stopped. I wonder if they make the bed. I'm gonna have to ask them that. I don't know. I make the bed. I stop at the bathroom. I take care of my own personal things. I clean the cat litter, and then I go downstairs. And then, like, you're downstairs. Like, there's no other reason to go back upstairs except to go to the bathroom during the day, to my point. Why did you make the bed? There's no other reason to go back upstairs until you do. What? Because go to bed, into that room at night, I see this beautiful nice bed. Then you have to unmake it. It's extra work. And now it's really nice. It's nice. What do you miss about me? Tell me something you miss about me. Something our friend Ron said that his wife says when he's away is, I look forward to missing you. So it's kind of the same thing. So I love the solitude, but I love this. In our house, it's easy to do solitude. And you're still here, and so I know you're in the house, and I like that. So it's not that I hate it when you're not here. It's just not the same. It's not. It's not the same. Yeah. But what do I think the most? Probably I don't get to hear you singhead, which is a nice break. Like, nice thing during the day. So I don't get to hear that. And somebody isn't cleaning up after you. Here's the thing. It is nice to be cleaned up after, but it doesn't bother me when I'm not, because I know I'm going to batch clean it. So I don't miss that. I don't. It's not. It's very nice, but I don't, like, miss it. Like, it's not like, oh, my God, I have to do this. I just batch. If I were. If I let it go longer. Here's the problem with batching. You can let it go longer than you should sometimes. And if it gets to that point, then I'm like, oh, crap, I don't want to do this now. Then what? Then what happens when that happens? What goes through your brain? Come home, deb. Come home. Because I've left it too long. And it's so true. But I do kind of enjoy the rhythm of, like, having a long list of things to do and just pacing through them nice and slowly. Like, that's kind of nice. But that's what I missed. Your charming self is what I miss the most. Okay, good question. All right, so Francis asked a really good question, and I'm kind of stumped on it. So do you want to go first? Sure. How do you set goals? How do we set goals in. For ourselves, our family and in life? In business and in life. Business and in life. So I will tell you. So as much as we can have various feelings about corporate America, corporate America, good and bad. Good and bad. One of the things that I thought, that I think has been very, very useful, that I brought from time, work from corporate time, is the idea of setting smart goals. What are smart goals? So smart goals? S for specific, m for measurable, a for achievable, r for realistic, and t for time bound. So when you look at your goals, so really you'd be kind of defining them along the, you know, in that, in that set of criteria, like, so. You know, if you've achieved them. Is that the deal? Yes. So that you can be very specific about when you've achieved it. The beautiful thing, the other thing that I think is quite useful is really setting goals within the context of having a broader vision, a broader purpose for what you're trying to. A mission or a vision or a mission. A vision. So alignment. Yeah, it's really about alignment. But I think before you can start setting goals, you have to kind of know what you want, you know, really have a really clear picture of where you're headed. Right. So goals, goals in and of themselves are, you know, small and they're little chunky. Yeah. Tasks. And ideally you take them down to like the, to like the smallest or the biggest chunk that you can like, count on yourself to actually do. Yep. Right. Like if I, like, some people are able to do like big chunks and you can give them a big chunk and you know that they'll do it. Other people are like, I want the steps. I need. I need those little, little reminders along the way. So I'm probably somewhere in the middle, you know? I don't, I don't, if I have the chunk is too big and it feels too overwhelming, I will procrastinate to know. Yeah. If the chunk is too small, it's like, it's not a meaningless, it's not a meaningful goal for me. It's a task at that point. It's a task. Yeah. So it's like this finding like that nice little middle space wherever. Yep. I'm achieving that next thing and I can see how it, how it leads to what that vision is. So how it's moving everything. I don't disagree with that at all. I, I love the smart goal concept. I don't always remember what they stand for, but I do know you want to be able to measure whether you've achieved it or not in a certain time frame and you don't want to set something that's too much of a stretch, etcetera. And I think the place where the thing I've learned in corporate, what happened to me anyway, in many corporate situations is we do all that work like once a year. We come up with the vision, we come up with these goals, we come up our objectives. Goals. And everybody had different technology. But you have this beautiful document that was. I mean, everybody agreed. Yeah. That's what we need to do. And all the way down to the tasks in the right departments, to the right people. And then it would vary. Yeah. There's all the puppies. It would be beautifully bound up. Everybody would get it. There'd be a party, and then it would go on everybody's shelf and sit there until the next year. Yeah. And that frustrated the. But. Jesus, Adam. So when I came out to the entrepreneur world, I wanted to bring that, too, but it's kind of. Not kind of hard. It's been interesting to take that concept and un bureaucratize it and make it really practical, because when I have clients in the business, I want to make sure I know what their goals are. What are your personal goals? What are your goals for the business? What's your vision for the business? And then what do you want to achieve this year? But I think what I try and do now, out here, out here, out here in the wild, is make it a little less formal. So I think the tension, the good tension that we have, what do we call it? Constructive tension. Now, there's a word. Creative tension. Creative tension is you'll lean more towards a formalized process, and I'll lean more towards too. I lean too far to the casual, and we end up meeting somewhere in the middle. Certainly in our businesses, that's what we've done. But all that brilliant stuff said, wonderful business advice. How did we decide to have a child, which is one of life's biggest goals? Okay, so. Because we both ended up on the same page. But it was a freaking coincidence. It was so good. It's funny, I was actually talking to Francis about this on the drive up this morning. Goal setting. Because. No, no, no. How we made a decision to have a baby. We always wanted children, which is great. And just for context, if you don't know, we've been together 30, 33 years. 34 years, almost 1991. Yeah. So 34, 34 years almost. And about five years. Well, but we started talking about it. About five years in, and I always wanted children. And how did we decide who was going to carry the child? Which one of us was more regular? Of course it was me, because freaking clockwork OCD. Like anything else, I matched my periods. And you did. And I did them like clockwork. Yep. So what do we do? We. You know, we decided we wanted to have kid. Yeah. We set a goal about 1995 ish. No, no, no. We said that. No, maybe 96. Yeah, because she was. Well, we knew we wanted kids, but we didn't start, sort of start setting. We're gonna plan for it. And we said, we're gonna have a. We're. We're gonna do this when we have a certain amount of money in the bank. That was like the. That was the goal. We're gonna have a certain amount of money in the bank and then we'll have kids. And then probably, I don't know, maybe. Maybe a happy year. Year after that goal, I started to, like, measure my temperature every day before I got out of bed, took my. Took my basal temperature, and I charted it on a pretty little graph. And it was a freaking. And it was a perfect cycle. It was great. Just like, her emotions don't go there. I was. It. It was clear that it was going to be me who was going to carry her. Oh, yeah. How do we ultimately decide that? When it was time, I came home from work one day and I was just sitting on the couch and I started to cry and said, I want to make now, and I want to wait until we have all this money in the bank. We're never going to have enough money in the bank to make this work. And then we. And I said, oh, my God, that's exactly what I was going to say. And I was. We were both at. We get that day, for whatever reason, at exactly the same moment. Like, I don't know if I was going to say anything because I didn't want to pressure you because I knew you were going to carry the baby and who knows? Blah, blah, blah. But we were both like, okay, we're just going to do this. Yeah. And so sometimes the best slate plans of mice and men end up getting thrown out the window. But. And I wouldn't trade that non specific smart goal for anything in the world, so. But I think, you know, in terms of other goals, like, that was a bit. That was a big one. That was you. Well, that's what I mean. It's the biggest goal we ever had in life. Biggest goal. Biggest. Yeah. And that one, we said, ask for it. No smart goal here. You know, for the other life goals that we've had, you know, it's been around being very specific around what we really wanted and knowing that sometimes in order to achieve your goal, you gotta make choices. You have to, you know, some things are gonna have to go by the wayside and set aside for a little while in order for. And that's actually a really interesting conversation to have, I think on another episode, which we will make sure gets into the lineup, is differences in spending and finances. I think that's one of the things that's toughest for couples. It's tough for us. And I think it's really a good thing to discuss, like when we want to have a really deep, serious conversation because we've figured out ways to navigate it. Oh, we totally. But it doesn't mean it's easy and it doesn't mean it goes away. Totally different. Totally different. And then we're totally different with how we spend on anything. Both things we need, things we want and things that are extravagant. Everything relative to our. All of the things. Yeah. And I've been there, a bunch of people out there that are so, Francis, we need to note that that would be when we're ready to do a serious episode, we can talk about some of the things we've done to navigate it, when it's worked, when it hasn't worked, because it doesn't always work. Sometimes we just fight. And that's the reality of a 33 year marriage, is, you know, you're gonna figure it out, but you're not always gonna agree. And that's such an important moment. I see finances really affect a lot of couples. It's a stress. It's one of the toughest. It's one of the biggest stressors, I think, people face. And, you know, it's the same thing with entrepreneurs in their businesses. Like what I'm always telling people, hey, don't avoid your finances because it ends. I know this because I've done it myself. You know, it ends up haunting you in the end when you kind of just put your head in the sand. It does mean you have to be miserable or scared. But that's a good crossover topic for the cash Flow podcast. Yeah, and this one. So our amazing producer has come up with a brilliant game that I absolutely love, and we're chuckling because it seemed fun. So they're going to give us a topic and kind of an area of thought, technology, health, whatever, and then a specific question and assign us sides of the debate. So I'll get one side, you'll get the other side, and then we're going to have. We're going to make our pitches for our side of the debate. We aren't going to. We don't know in advance what the way in advance what the questions are going to be in this case. We know the question just because he was explaining the game to us. Yeah. So, Francis, what is our question for today? Question is artificial intelligence a threat to humanity or a boon to progress? Is artificial intelligence a threat to humanity or a boon to progress? And I've been assigned the threat to humanity role, and you've been assigned the boon to progress. The boon to progress. And we're probably both pretty balanced on this, but could make these debates pretty well. Do you want to go first? Yeah, go first. I can go first. Go first, because I can argue everything you say. I don't think that that's really fair. So, I mean, fundamentally speaking, you know, artificial intelligence is only going to be as intelligent as the thing that's kind of putting the information in. Right? So it's simply an information aggregator. So I really think the beautiful thing about AI is it will start to relieve people of having to do kind of the mundane and repetitive act activities of, you know, business and life. If you think about. Even if you think simply about how our house uses artificial intelligence. Oh, freaking Alexa. We have in our house, like, every. Stop, Alexa, stop, stop. We have every different AI in the house. So true. But it's brilliant, you know? Does it? You don't worry. I automatically opens the, it opens the, the skylights when we need to have air because it senses the air quality. There's CO2 problem in so many ways. It is. It is helping us to be and live healthier than we've. Than we've lived before. Right. If you look at how we're using AI in the context of our business, you know, you know, the hours that would typically get spent just kind of churning through work that now can be done much quicker, leaving humanity with time to be creative, time to experience the fullness of life. I think in that regard, AI is creating space for us to be more human. It's creating space for us to have more opportunity to be self expressing. And so I think it makes perfect sense to see it as a boon to our progress. It's definitely going to allow us to evolve, evolve faster and spend time in ways that are more meaningful for us. You've got no fears about how quickly it's advancing. Like, you know, how technology doubles now, like, almost every five minutes, correct? I. No, I don't. I don't worry about, I don't worry about the speed of the advancement because. Again, which is interesting, because you're a worrier sometimes. I am. I am. I'm also an early adopter for technology. Yeah, that's true. You know, I like to be, and I think that there are enough people that are going to always be out on the outer edges of this, that it. I don't think we're going to, I don't think it's going to get out ahead of us. I don't think it's going to get out ahead of us. And I, and I truly believe, you know, to the, to the best of my ability, that people are going to find ways to utilize it as a tool. Right. So it's not going to develop into something that, you know, like you see on movies that's going to, like, take over the world, shut down your house, turn off your air and lock you in, but rather, you know, use it as you'd use any other tool. So, two things I want to say here. The first is very simple. Open the pod bay door, Hal. That to me, is the outcome of AI in this debate, where I'm taking this side. Let it be known, I'm only taking this side to have a debate. Yeah, I kind of agree with you. But outside of that, open the pod bay door, Haldeman. That was not a good outcome, and that was AI. But, and now let's talk about Alexa, because you're right. That's where we deal with what is kind of a I ish. And you said something like that. AI really just summarizes other information that's out there and re categorizes it for us. And you can ask it to make inferences, but it learns. It does. Yeah. Okay. So AI does learn. So as long as AI learns to me. And again, learning, right. It may not always make the right connections. It makes connections based on the connections that other people have made. Right. And it does things then with those connections. So here's my example. Nuclear technology comes along. Ultimately, there's goods and bads around nuclear technology, but there are people who will use that technology for evil. In most of those Sci-Fi things, it's not just the AI that goes crazy or the robot that goes crazy. Some crazy mind, human mind, is behind it and opens it wide open to be allowed to do it. So if AI can learn which artificial intelligence can do, then theoretically it can learn from what it's already put together. It could put together something totally wrong. And right now, for example, we tell AI, take this information plus everything else you know, and create me an image. Right? So that's easy. But you could also tell it to take everything you know, integrate it, and have this robot drop a rock on the ground, which means you could also say, take everything you know, integrate it and have this drone drop a bomb on a house. Or you could just say, take everything you know and do what you think you ought to do with this drone, and it could very easily start to self instruct itself, is where I'm getting, like. So right now, it's all human driven, I think, who knows? But very easily, if AI can be taught to do things, it can be taught to teach itself, come to conclusions, and then never reverse out of those conclusions. So I think there is, again, in this debate, I want to clarify. I'm not hoarding water just in case, but theoretically, I can. I do hoard water, but I hoard water for a whole other reason. Let's be clear. But theoretically, if you just take out all practicality and go theoretically, AI could take over the world. It absolutely could. It's got the capacity to grow into the thing that could take over the world. I believe we would have to. I believe we would have to grant it a certain autonomy, and I don't believe that we will grant AI an autonomy by ignorance. We could because it's moving faster than it's evolving. Faster than we're evolving. So we have evolution, right? We evolve really slowly. I mean, think how long it's takes to, you know, whatever. We are still. We are still programmed by the biology of many, many tens of thousands of years ago. And technology evolves, like, at exponential times that speed. So it could get away from us. That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it for this to be. I gotta say, I hope you're wrong. I hope I'm wrong. And I believe. It's a good debate, though. Great question, Francis. I do hope that there's enough. There's enough skepticism and enough fundamental humanity. Humanity. Yes. To control it before it gets out of here. Yes. To consider it not as its own entity with its own set of choices, but actually a powerful, strong, knowledgeable tool under our control. Tool. Yeah. Yeah. It is an interesting debate. I have a really good friend, Manuj, that I know through Sims distillery, who has been working in AI since, like, the nineties. So, like, he really understands Aih, and he is a very big proponent of the fact that it's not gonna get out of hand, and he has very logical arguments for that. We should have him on as a guest at some time, either on this show or on cash flow, because he really articulates it well as to why it's not gonna kind of go crazy like that. But there are people equally as passionate now. I get that. Passionate, truly, when Alexa pisses me off. Because Alexa does not always do what you tell Alexa to do. Alexa seems to have a mind of her own. But she doesn't. She's. But the things. I'm just saying, the things we entrust our Alexa with are not things you need to worry about. They can be pretty frustrating when you can't get a light turned on. Especially the way you name our lights in the house. What are the names of our lights, Deb? Frank Lloyd Wright. No, Frank. Frank. Frank. Frank one and Frank two. Frank one and Frank two. Because the lamps look like. No, because they're. Because the lamp is. Is a. Is a post modern. It is a Frank Lloyd Wright. What else are they named? Deb? Seth. No, Slim. Oh, Slim. See, I can't even remember the names. This is. This is Bert. Bert, Slim, Ernie. Ernie. Lefty. Righty and Goldilocks. Righty and Goldilocks are the shades. Then I blind one. Blind, too. Those. Yeah, you kind of. You kind of change there. Deborah Lynn. Pamela stiles. Pamela styles. Those are our bedlights. Lulu in Lindsay's. That's Lindsey's nickname. Ruby and angel in the red room. There you go. So what I will do sometimes when Deb's not here and I can't get a freaking light to turn on is I'll stand in the middle of the house. Alexa, turn on every fucking light in the house. Does she do it? And she does. And then I have to shut them down. But it's just like. And then because. Oh, wait. Oh, wait. Here's an outcome, right? Because of stupid Alexa, we have to tape over our light switches, which is an incredibly, like, weird thing for Deb, who likes things neat and clean and crisp. But we have these light switches where all the switches you're not allowed to touch because you'll screw up, Alexa. Are taped over, and it's only because of. It's the clean contrast. I know which ones I would. I would take off. You have some very cool contrast, though, covers. Oh, dear God. Really? Yeah. I'll look for the. I'll look for those, Francis, because that would make me so much happier. You don't have to do any of it. Yeah, that's magic. Oh, no, no, no. You mean that. That actually flipped the switch? Yeah, it actually would. There's not a switch on it. It's just, like, literally a pack like that. Like, you have no choice. Like, I can't even turn it on. We'd have been. Oh, you have to work at it. Yeah. Okay. Because, remember, we couldn't turn this one on. Yeah, but it also. Instead of, like, let's say you leave on your lamp. Yeah. Which. And then you hit the thing off. You can turn it back on with. Oh, we wouldn't have been trapped like we were. We were down here and you weren't. When you're not here. It's crazy. Oh, and you guys turned it off at the. Yeah. Cause now I just scream. Deb, tell Alexa to do what I want to. Yeah, you can. You can what? If you want to just turn everything off down here, just tell her to turn off the podcast studio. Oh, now that's logical. So if I said that now, we'd go black. If she could. If she could hear it. We don't have an Alexa down here. Yeah, and there are. We have to tell her before we come downstairs. Okay, got it. But. But there are some things, like the trees. Not on the. On the podcast. Okay. That we just turn on or plug in. Yeah. Okay, very cool. Great question, Francis. Interesting. All right, now we'll wrap her up. Okay. That was a lot of fun. Always is. I love doing this. I hope that you like. Or subscribe or. 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