S1E8: Temper Tantrums, New York Trips, and A.I (Artificial Insemination)

Pam and Deb dive into real-life chaos this week—Pam’s public meltdown over a lost wallet and Deb’s post surgery, New York City adventure and they open up about their experience with artificial insemination and the challenges of having a baby. 

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He'd go, he said, I can't do anything about it. And he wasn't being a jerk. He couldn't do anything about it. Like, they have to scan it. They have to scan it and let it out of the store. And I got out of that store and I screamed, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. All the way to my car. Got in the car. I was yelling at the car. I was yelling at everybody in the parking lot. I got out. I got onto the road. I drove badly. Like, I was pissed and just picked up the phone and called you. And I'm like, I just need to vent. I don't have my goddamn wallet. And I came all the way out here, and I said, as if this were the worst thing to happen to anybody in the world, it was ridiculous. I have looked every. And welcome back to she said. She said, yes. I threw you off there. I didn't do my line. I used to. Hey, and I'm Pam Pryor, author, speaker, CFO, and I balance the books. And I'm Deb Reinhard, certified master life coach, and I balance Pam. There you go. We got it covered one way or another. Every week we spend some time just diving into the chaos that is our life business and just, you know, kind of giving you a lens onto the creative, crazy, beautiful, all of it. I think one thing. I just remembered this as you said it, because we talk about the fact that we've been together 33 years. We actually had an anniversary this week when we first met, September 25. But neither one of us are exactly sure whether it's 33 or 34 years now. No. Isn't that weird? Do you think that you knew me on my 30th birthday? I want to say 91. I did. Because we ordered the birthday pig. You did? Or did you hear about it? And no, I planted that as a memory. Pictures of the birthday pig. Okay. Because I thought it was 92 that we met, but we know we met in September. Yeah. So if it's 92, it doesn't work, because my birthday is in March, so it must have been our 34th anniversary. And yes, this happens when you get up that far, I guess. But we also, ironically, it is our 9th actual wedding anniversary this year. In May. In May, yeah. So next year it's going to be ten and 35. I know, which is awesome. So that struck me. So life kind of turned back to normal this week for us. You're home safe and sound again. No post surgery pain? No, no, no. And what did you decide to do on Monday, which was, let's just do a little reminder that that was a week, four days after she was released from the hospital. It was a week after the surgery. I saw my best friend Sean. Here's Sean. We can show you. We'll show you Sean. My best friend Sean had invited us to go see. Thank you. It was bugging light. It was bugging me, too. Hold on. We got to turn on the lights now. Okay. There we go. Cool. So my best friend Sean had bought tickets for us to go up to New York City to 54 below and to see Cheyenne Jackson at a cabaret. And so Cheyenne is a man. Yes. That is not a name, I assume. Amazing. Amazing. You sent me a clip. Singer. He was incredible. Broadway singer, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A nice belter. And you sent me a clip. It blew me away. Yeah. He's probably illegal that you filmed. There were other people doing it. Okay, good. I was not alone and I'm not doing. And I'm not. I didn't post it anywhere. No, you sent it to me. Yeah, he was. He was fabulous. He was fabulous. So we. We got. We took the train up. So that was really nice. Train out of Hamilton station. Piece cake. NJ transit. Piece of cake. Getting into. Into the city. Big walk through. We walked. It was. It was 20 blocks, which is one, like 1.1 mile, so it's not terrible. Circle back here. One of the promises Deb made me before she left was that they would uber because I said, you're really going to wear yourself out. You haven't done anything since that surgery. Really? A little bit each day, but not a lot. You can't walk a mile each way. Be up late for the first time in however many days it's been or weeks it's been. And get home and then still survive. Well, yes and no. I'm wrong. The good thing was, like, you're not. You don't have to, like, work full days right now, but you came back and basically next day, two days, the next day. What did you say to me yesterday. Quote unquote day and a half? All right, I might have overturned it, I might have overdone, but thank you. It was worth. Easy to admit. It was worth every. It was worth. It does sound like it. It was fabulous. He was a great. He was a great show. He's a great storyteller. So nuanced in his singing, which is really, really fabulous. I'm a little jealous I ended up not going. Sean did invite both of us. I had a little bit of work to do. Yeah. So. And stayed with the dough geese. But that was awesome. I'd have just been fussing the whole time at you for being there and doing a mile walk. So it's. Food was great. The food was good. I highly recommend it. I had tuna. Was tuna. There was steak some. The other person that shared our table had steak free. Was so 54 below is studio 54. But downstairs, yes, it's the basement. Okay. And it's really not fair to call it a basement because it's really a lovely venue, a beautiful. And there is not a bad seat in that house. Does it make like a, uh. That's really interesting. Maybe where I saw Linda, editor. I'm sure it is where you saw Linda. Cause Linda is actually gonna be there again. Okay. Then it's probably like the piano's kinda in the middle, and then there's this. In the back, and then there's like. And then there are tables in the front. It's not like normal layout. It's like shifted. Oh, I don't know that it feels kind of normal, but you're. But you're not. You're not kind of. It's wide instead of being narrow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was really, really good. And I'm so glad I went. And I. And yes, I walked. Um, I wasn't tired, you know, and. And honestly, in New York City versus getting a cab, it would have taken longer. Yes, but you would have been resting. But 20, it was 20 short blocks. And it was really nice. And we took. And we strolled. We did stroll. We'll have to pull other people. Ask Uncle Sean. I went too quick. Ask Sean. He held my hand through the city. But let's circle back here. You said a little couple words and then screw moved right by. Linda Eder's going to be there. Yeah. Linda Eder is my. What do we call it? A loud crush, like my. I know, that's. What do we call it? My hall pass. Yeah. So I've had a crush on Linda etter since Lindsay was little. Little two. One or two. Her son was about the same age at that point. She's a Broadway singer. Did Jekyll and Hyde, and then I've probably been to as many. You've been to her shows as Billy Joel shows? When I was younger. And she's gonna be there? Yeah. Oh. When we can look at tickets. Interesting. Can look at tickets. We may have to do that. We do love Linda. We do. She's really good. If you get a chance to look her up, if you like that kind of singing. She's really good. Yeah, she's a good show, too. Yeah, she came out on one of those. Early star search was where they found her. I also think, like, the last time we saw her, we saw her at a cabaret up in New Hope. Yeah. And she had been. We had seen her, to be fair, at a concert a couple years before, man, at the. No, it was in. No, Jersey. No, we saw. Yeah, we saw. At New Jersey in Marlton. But we saw it. Remember, we saw her at the man was. Right after 911. Right after 911. That was an incredible concert. Oh, my gosh. She clearly ended the first half of that concert way earlier than she meant to because she sang the Barbra streisand song. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The big don't rain on my parade. Yes. And she clearly was upset at the end of that song and marched off the stage and came back into the second half. I don't think that was where she was gonna break normally, because she was really. It was four days after 911. That's really tough. And she had contemplated it was with. When he was still alive. Piano guy, composer. We're gonna have to put the name here when we get it. Yeah. You'll know it. It'll come to you. Really famous. She only did a couple concerts with him, and they contemplated canceling it, but they didn't because she said, you know, no, we're not gonna let them do this to us. So it was a really emotional night. No, kid foster that she played for Marvin Hannah. It's still alive. Marvin Hamilton. It wasn't Marvin Hamilton. Yes, it was. Yes, it was at that concert. It was Marvin. Yep. She did two concerts with him, and that was one of them. Oh, yeah, maybe you're right. I do remember now. But what I was gonna say is, we saw her in New Jersey at the NJPAC, and she was only okay. And we're like, ooh, just a day. I wonder. Yeah, I wonder. And I've never. But all the times I've seen her, probably 15 or 20, she's never just been okay. Cause we saw her in Marlton. I've seen her in Marlton. And we took Lindsay, and Lindsay went. On the stage with flowers. Yep. We got a picture. But, like, in all the times I've seen her, she's never been just okay. And I think something may have been wrong, but then we saw her new hope. She blew it away. Yeah, she was awesome. That was a small. It was a smaller, more intimate than you. I think that really probably suits is her thing. Yeah. Yeah, that was good. I don't know how it got off on Linda Edder, but I'm glad. Hi, Linda. One of the things, you know, you can take voice lessons with her now. I did. I should get you that for a birthday present. There you go. All right. You already have a. I can't sing, but you already have a voice teacher who's perfect for you. So the kick ass voice teacher. Yep. Shout out to Becky Ohler's south Jersey voice studio. Yep. She's the best. We don't need any other. Okay. We have a lot of best voice teachers, though. She just happens to be the one. Becky is my. Becky is my. She's been really great. She's changed. Yeah. You've got really changed. How you sing a choral singer to a belter. Yeah, yeah. I'm one of those people that. Yeah, I sing, I can read, I can hold the tune nicely, have an okay voice. But it's a choir voice. You don't want me doing solo work. Yeah, that's kind of my take on it. Awesome. Yeah. Well, I am glad that you didn't listen, but that you had two days to recuperate. It's been nice properly because it's. You don't go running off and walking 2 miles right after you've had surgery. It's the danger of a high pain tolerance and a stubbornness. Stubborn streak. Yes. It just felt good to walk, to be honest with you. I was. I've been. I felt so cool. Walk half a mile at home. So. I love it. Well, you're safe and sound and that's all that matters. Yeah, that's true. Cool. What else this week? What else is. Oh, I know this week. I had a massive temper tantrum on Tuesday. Massive. So I really am the person with a really long, like, I don't blow. Up a lot, typically. You don't. I, like, take a lot. I just, you know, I've got. I used to, as a. When I was younger, had a temper as a kid. Not kid, and I was a kid, but, like, even in my twenties and thirties, like, I didn't pay really attention. If I was upset, I got mad. If I was happy, I laughed. If I was sad, I got. So you had a low emotional intelligence? That's what I would call it, yeah. Yes. When I was really kind of just all over the place with it. And then as I've gotten older and certainly in the last five years, I've done a lot of meditation, a lot of spiritual work, a lot of other work, and just actually do change my energy whenever I feel like the inklings of something. I can go, oh, you usually catch it. That's the thing. Back it goes. And, you know, gratitude or happiness or whatever the thing is that I use to do that. And this day, it had been a pretty stressful week. This was a lot of work. Work to do that. Like, I couldn't. I felt like I couldn't get it all done in the time. Not only do you felt like you couldn't get it all done in the time, I think there's a lot of pressure. I'm seeing a lot of pressure on you being like, the. I'm the only one who can do this. Yeah, there are. There's a lot of that right now. Right now, right now. There's a lot of that. And. And so I'm sure that's building pressure, although it doesn't feel like it, but I had a couple late nights, and I didn't. Wasn't in my mindset, whereas I'm doing exactly what I'm supposed to be doing, and whatever's going to happen is going to happen. Usually, that's where I am. And if people love it, that's great. If people don't, that's sad. It's always good work. It's always 100% of the attention. We're always giving value, and for the people it works for, that's great. But I wasn't there this week. This week. I got to get it done. I got to get it done. And so on Tuesday night, I had a prescription to pick up, and I went out, and I had. Because of the hospital thing, I didn't know where my wallet was. My fault, exactly. I didn't know where my wallet was because I'd been taking it in the knapsack or the book bag. What do we call those things? Backpack. Backpack. To the hospital all the time. And when we came home from the hospital, I did not take it from the backpack and put it back in my purse. So I had, like, this window of, like, 15 minutes to go get my drugs, and I get in the car, and I go and realize, oh, I don't have my wallet. So I come back in, can't find my wallet. Like, okay, I'll just go. So I go, oh, no, it wasn't there. No way. No, no, wait. No. You were already starting to. You were starting to edge up. No, no, you're forgetting. You're forget. At that time, you were. You were on the phone. There was no. There was nothing. So I go, I have to do a couple errands and I get to rite Aid, and I pull in, and I get there, and the line is like half an hour long because you. Were getting your Covid shot and your. Yeah. First got. But that was at CV's. Then I went to rite Aid to pick up the prescription. CV's was fine. No line, blah, blah, blah, excellent rite aid line backed up. And this just goes to our conversation about pharmacists right now. They're so overworked. I was talking to my friend Ina last night, who's a pharmacist. She does coaching and I, and functional medicine, and she said, they're just all really burnt out because people aren't hiring, the salaries aren't enough, and they can't like any other job. You can just say, screw it, I'm not gonna do it. Maybe they can't like people's. And they're doing, and I think they're being asked to do a lot more now with a lot less because, you know, now they have to do the shots. There used to be three pharmacists. They used to just sit in the back and count pills into things. There used to be three pharmacists there every time. It's probably more than just counting pills into things, but you know what I mean? Well, but you have to really carefully count pills, and you have to unlock them and you have to lock them back up, and you have to make sure you don't get your kid's antibiotic mixed up with somebody's narcotic. And, I mean, that's huge pressure. And anyway, long line, because there's only one pharmacist there now and one guy working the front counter. So I'm in line for half an hour, and I finally get up there. I'm like, okay, I need. I'm here for such and such. And they're like, oh, we need to see your license, because it's spiritual, judge. Yeah. And I was like, I don't have it. I said, you know me. They go, he said, I can't do anything about it. And he wasn't being a jerk. He couldn't do anything about it. Like, they have to see it. Let it out of the store. And I got out of that store, and I screamed, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. All the way to my car. Got in the car. I was yelling at the car. I was yelling at everybody in the parking lot. I got out, I got under the road. I drove badly. Like, I was pissed and just picked up the phone and called you. And I'm like, I just need to vent. I don't have my goddamn wallet. And I came all the way out here, and I said, as if this were the worst thing to happen to anybody in the world. It was ridiculous. I have looked everywhere. Can you please, can you just look for. Have you looked for my wallet? And I'm like, no, because you told me I didn't have. But I'll get up and look for it. She found it in the backpack. But I stormed all the way home, and I come in that door, and I'm like, I need to take your license. Because they said, well, I won't tell you what they said, but I was gonna take your license. And she opens the door and hands me the wall. I went, oh, where'd you find it? Thank you. And then I was matter, right? Because that's what you do. Cause you could have had it. Cause that's what you do, right? And so then I got in the car, and I still drove like a maniac back there. It took longer than I thought I told you. So I had this ridiculous tantrum over literally nothing. And then you get ashamed of yourself, right? Which you should have been, which I was. And then I had. I came back, and interestingly enough, I'm in, like, a Bible study prayer group and called the upper room, and I jump in, and the first sort of person who's talking is talking about the fact that he lost his wife a year ago to cancer. And I went, ah, perspective, pamela, perspective. And it was a really good and immediate switch off, which was great. And that gave me basically another tool I can use though, too, which is when I have those stupid modes. And you know when you're going down those rabbit holes, right? Yeah, yeah. When you're just railing about something and you're at the same time, you're thinking, this is so stupid. All it's gonna do is get worse. All I'm gonna make people angry. Escalated and escalated. It was. It was. It's very tipping point that you can't. It's like. And I remember thinking I could just do my breathing and calm back down. And literally in the car screamed out, fuck that. I am pissed, and I'm gonna be pissed. And, yeah, yeah. Like, if I had a camera funny. And I had to rewatch it, I'd. Be like, oh, I think you would have been. You'd have been shocked. But now you have eruptions. I do. Yeah. I I think I am. I can. I can be a little bit more. I can be a little bit more volatile. Mm. Hmm. I. I don't. But it's a release for you. It is. It's, like, there and gone. It's there and gone. Yeah. That's a really good way to look at it. I don't. I don't hold on. I really don't hold on to it. I can remember getting frustrated at a person at work who shall not be named, and, like, I don't even know. I don't even know what it was, but something made me angry about it, and I must have been frustrated about, like, that. Then, like, the next day, I was talking about this person in, like, nice terms, and I was like, hold it. Like, yesterday, yet, like, they were evil incarnate. I'm like, but why? Like, I literally could not remember. God, I literally could not remember what it's like. It expels it all from your head for me. Yeah. Except for the dogs. The dogs are a whole different animal now. How is that different? Like, so if the dogs, like, do something, like, dirty paws on the floor or barking or, like, you will have one of those. I can't take this anymore. I hate this. I think you know what it is. There's a like. Because it's constant. Let me be really clear yet. I love my dogs. Oh, yeah. Very good point. Yeah. This is not anything comment on that. It's not a comment on how much I love my dogs. Oh, my God. Don't even say the words. The minute you say those words, they ping it. You have to bleep it out. I love our dogs, but they are there. There are three of them, and it's a lot of energy, and I think it's a lot of energy. And so I know for myself, what I need is I need a little bit less. I'm just gonna growl at you. A little less excitement, you know, and a little. A little quiet. And they're not quiet in my life. Right now, and they're not. They're not that. They're not peace and quiet. Yes, that is true. And. Yeah. Do I get frustrated when they. When, you know, the floors are clean and they walk across with mud? Yes. Why? Because I'm not always the person who has to clean it. You know, like. Like that. If it would be different if, you know, you're like, oh, just let the dogs go in and out, because that's the. That's the thing. Just let them go in and out. Just let them. Don't stop closing the door. Just let them have whatever they want. Fine. Then they come in and there's paws all over the floor now. Not all the time, folks. Only now and then when she doesn't see it. She never sees it, actually. Never. You can't say because very often I have a towel and I wipe those paws up in the kitchen. Very often. See, here's the. So if you. Here's the thing. Never use never when you're talking to. Your partner, very frequently she does not. We have learned that, actually. Never use never, because it's. Never. Never. Yeah. And it. It just reminds you. Forgets that to let you appreciate those things that they do do. Yeah. That are pretty cool, the occasional things. So it's not. Okay. There you go. Gotta throw that in. I love it. But, yeah, so it's. It. Nine times out of ten, they don't drag the paws in, but when it's raining, they do the pause. Yeah, I mop the floors, like six times a day. It's just not going to happen. And that's really the only way. But even if I did, here's the thing. Here is the thing on that. If I mopped it once a day and they came in right after it and you saw it, it'd still be as if I didn't mop. So why not wait till they're all done and then mop once at the end of the day, you could do that, and then it's never dirty. At the end of day, you've always already mopped it. We're back to that same thing again. Just can't do it because you start bursting. Just can't do it. I love it. It always comes back to cleaning. It does. I just. I don't know. Maybe it's. Maybe I do have a little OCD. It's not something that's diagnosed, but I just like things orderly. Oh, it's interesting. To be fair, I do, too. And I just don't keep them that orderly. Like, we've been through the conversation about batching, but I love coming downstairs and everything's ready to go. Like, it's cleaned up from the last night, and I never did that or do that. So that's really cool. I totally appreciate it. Your maybe OCD, maybe not, but it's gorgeous. It's gorgeous in this house. So last week we were talking about when we decided. Actually, no, we're not. Last week we were talking about the actual birth and the World cup. Last week we were talking about the World cup during which you happen to have a baby. Right, right. But we won that one. I swear, it was Germany. But somebody told me when they looked at the 98 World cup final. That was not Germany. But it might have been the semi final and not the final. I'm not sure. Francis is looking it up. France won the final. What was the date of the final game in 1998? July 12. That was her birthday. That was it. Then France beat Germany. Right. It looks like France beat Brazil. Brazil. I don't know. Why do we have Germany in your house? No idea. Doesn't matter. It was soccer. That was the only thing that was keeping. And it was a big game. Big game. Big game. But anyway, we get a lot of questions about, well, you know, people kind of cock their heads. You've been together 33 years and you have a child. Yeah. And we had a child back. She's 26. We had her at, like, 98. Yeah. So it was a different time. A little bit different time. Yeah. And we went through a few things because of that. So we had to decide artificial or. We had a friend who was willing to donate. Yeah. We had a couple friends who had offered. Yeah. And that was an interesting conversation because we basically decided to. For them, really? I think. I think for us, too. Well, yeah, but I mean, what I said was, there is no way that some, even though they all, you know, we're going to do this, donate and then say, hey, this is your child. You raise it, blah, blah, blah. I cannot imagine that you could donate sperm and not be interested in the life and outcome of this thing in a way that is parental, that is. Good, is more than just a passing. Friend, and I wouldn't want to put any of them through disagreements about how to raise or whatever. So we decided pretty early to go to the UPenn. So we had a fertility doctor at the University of Pennsylvania who was willing to do the AI. The artificial insemination. Yeah. Wrong AI. A whole different thing now. Alien invasion. And. And we used the sperm bank at the University of Pennsylvania. And how did that work? Like, what did we. How did you. How did it. I think, you know, it was so. It was funny because we were at that. We were, you know, we had a lot of different options. Right. So we could have. And we looked at, like, public banks where you could actually pay, you know, and you get to, like, go through the book and see the people and choose what you want, and then they ship it to you. And that felt. That felt a little. Yeah. So when we met with the doctor, I think the only thing I said, you know, they said, he said, we do two or three generations worth of genetic testing just to make sure that there's nothing. They tested you to make sure there was no. You know. And he just. And I just said, can we just find somebody who, like, where the coloring would be similar so that there's a pretty decent chance this child would at least look like her mom. Cause she's not gonna. She's not gonna have the father figure in the picture. And so that's what he did. I mean, that's what he did. And a pen. Gratefully, obviously, their sperm bank is all pen doctors and lawyer students. Smart people. So, you know, call it what it is, but I definitely wanted to give her, like, a leg up on all the good genes, so we did. And number 137 was the answer for us. Yeah. And it was. And we actually, interestingly enough, and thankfully, because we ended up with Lindsey, is the first time, did not take. Right. But we were warned about that. So it wasn't like we were major disappointed or whatever. It just. It was disappointing, but it wasn't like. It was a lifestyle. This is never going to work. I will tell you, though. Do you remember we were. You know, when we started this process? We got online, the early days of online, right? And we're looking at message boards with all of these women who are trying to get pregnant and mistake, like, and who are on every type of fertility drug, and they're miserable, and they're. Everything was horrible. Everything was horrible. They've been trying. People were trying for years. We just decided it wasn't gonna be horrible. We were so fortunate. I did. I guess we tried the first. The first time, and we kind of made a special event that day. Went to dinner that night. Went to dinner that night. It was really lovely, but, you know, it did not. Second time. The second time, when I had a meeting, I realized I was ovulating. Pam was, like, at a meeting. I'm like, pam, I was away. I was away. You were not here. I was up in Pennsylvania when we were still working in Delaware. Living in Delaware is what that was. Chester. Whatever. No, no, we weren't living there. We were still living in Pennsylvania. But you were away. You were actually away. I was actually in New Hope or actually Lambertville, and you just said, just go. So I just went by myself. So, no, you know, like, lovely, fluffy, romantic thing. And I got there, and he said, where's your other half? I'm, like, at work. Okay. Yeah, we did the. The thing, the whole thing, and I. And, uh, he said, you know, do you want me to stay with you? Want me to stay with you? And I said, that would be really nice. He said, well, you can get up. And I'm like, can we just give those little guys a little bit more. Time to kind of, like, get where. They need to go? He's like, they go really fast. I'm like, I know. Just, like, five minutes. Just five minutes would just make me feel really, really good. And, uh, second time was charm. Yeah, it was. And that. And that's kind of. So that's how it. How it went. And it was a different thing to do at that time. Maybe we're doing this. I mean, it wasn't brand new, clearly, but at that point, and we'll talk about this maybe at a later date. You know, there were some legal issues we had to wrestle with because the same sex couples weren't recognized. And certainly adopting a same sex couple baby was a little tricky at that time. So maybe we save that for another show and talk about what we did to get that all to work out and some of the weird things that had to happen. I think it was. I mean, we were. We were very, very fortunate. I think we were very fortunate in where we live, in every aspect where we lived. We went to church, work, the medical. Community that we were with. It was just. Was perfect. It was just perfect. Yeah. I'm really, really grateful for that. And I think. I think we were, like, 98, 2000. That's just on the verge of when, like, people were like, oh, this is kind of normal, and, like, we've never been flag waiver people. No, we just kind of live our lives, and then what would happen is people would go figure out, like, oh. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it was a non issue because we already knew them and we weren't, you know, kind of flag red. I'm not. There's nothing wrong with that. People who really do make loud noise about it, we need that. But that was never us. And I, we got really lucky with the support system that emerged from. We had us just being us. I think we changed as many minds and hearts as a flag waiver would. We just did it differently. Yeah. So, yeah, good. It was a. It was a really. It was a fun time. It was a fun time. Yeah. I loved being pregnant. I loved everything about being pregnant, except mint. Didn't love mint. Yeah, that's right. I got aversion to mint. We had to go to, like, cinnamon toothpaste because I couldn't taste, I couldn't. I couldn't take. And then the mint toothbrush. And then Lindsay ended up not liking mint. Not an allergy. She just doesn't like mint. Still to this day. She'll eat, she'll eat a little more now, but she doesn't eat much now. Doesn't love it. Yeah, she had odd toothpicks. It was a terrible aversion to mint. And I met a couple people say, oh, God. Yeah, that happened to me too. Really? With mint? Yeah. I'm like, really? That's interesting that you liked a lot. That ones you really liked when you were pregnant. No, no. I really didn't have any craving. I didn't have any cravings. Nope. I like, I can't even, I can't even tell you. It was, it was good being pregnant. Even though I was pregnant in the dead heat of summer. It was good being pregnant. Well, hello there. Did you guys have any, have you ever seen the Modern Family episode Aunt Mommy? So Mitch came and. Well, I'm sure we've seen, I just don't remember the name. Mitch. Cam, Phil and Claire go to a restaurant and they get, like, shit faced. And Mitch and Cam are trying to have a baby, and Claire agrees to be the donor. The surrogate, rather. Yeah. Flip side. They wanted both like, oh, okay. Yeah. The whole episode is about them waking up, remembering what they agreed to the. Night before, and being like, oh, shit. And that's why it's titled Aunt Mommy. Because she would be an aunt Anna mommy. That's funny. Yeah, no, that's funny. How about your walk, girlfriend? Was that a good one? That's good. Was that a good one? You're so cute. I can't stand. Oh, look at you looking right at the camera, huh? You really are. I'm gonna have to get a still shot of that. I love it. All right, well, we're gonna wrap for today. I think that's enough adventure for one day. Yeah, it's a definite hopefully deb blaze low. And we have another fun episode coming. At you next week, a week or two before the excitement starts again. There you go. That's exactly right. That's right. Because I'm going to be traveling next. Week and I'm going to be starting a new job. So do me a favor. 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